Youtube / Google sends me a copyright infringement notice for a home video.

This is the video in question.

Can someone please explain to me whose copyright I infringed on? Is linking to an URL copyright infringement?

I stopped using Youtube a little while ago - and am phasing out all my Google services one by one to get off its grid - and this reminds me why I'm doing it in the first place.

How about we all select a few random videos on Youtube and write up third-party notifications claiming that it's infringing? Don't they even watch the videos that they're notified about, or do they just take it down withiout even checking? Well done, guys. Brilliant.

Quel gang de connards, pour vrai.

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Sunday, February 18th, 2007
San Miguel Guide's picture

Steven - I requested that the text that you cut and pasted from my page about the Pamplonada be removed - http://www.sanmiguelguide.com/tour-pamplonada.htm - and specifically mentioned that I had no claim on the video.

As a matter of fact, I wanted to add your YouTube video to the article to give people even more info about this event, so I will be happy to do that using either a new YouTube video link or the one from Blip.TV

Unfortunately Google chose to remove the video as well. It was not my intention to disable your video, as I thought it was entertaining.

However, I have to protect my content. I notice that you have done the exact same thing at Blip.TV - cut and pasted my article about the Pamplonada on their page.

The thing is that by putting my article on these big sites like YouTube etc, you may make the search engines devalue the article on my site and consider it duplicate content, meaning I will no longer get visitors from the search engines for that article.

I know that it probably seems stupid to you, but I support my family with the income from my website and I cannot allow my hard work (ie my content) to be duplicated at will across the internet as it jeopardizes my livelihood.

Please do the right thing and remove my article from the Blip.TV page with your video - leave the link, by all means, if you think that people would enjoy reading the article on my page. If you want to discuss it further, feel free to email me. 

kind regards - 

patrick deese

San Miguel Guide

stevenmansour
Sunday, February 18th, 2007
stevenmansour's picture

Patrick,

The quote from your site was followed by a link to your site, specifically attributing the text to you - hence the "blockquotes"... there was no question to whoever read it that it was from your site.

(The fact that Google removed the entire video without consulting either of us basically proves the point I made with this post.)

I'm surprised that you think that the traffic you'd lose from search keywords is greater than the valuable, relevant, targeted audience who click through to your site to learn more about San Miguel after seeing it in a home video. Your impression may have been true in 1998, but not today.

Also, you might want to brush up on your search engine trivia - search engines don't assign duplicate content IDs to content when it's accompanied by a link to its original source. I was actually really helping your ranking by linking to you. For instance, check the google rank of your page, and then check mine.

However, since you asked in good faith and you seem convinced that it's the right course of action, I went ahead and removed the video from both blip and youtube, though I'm still hosting a copy here at my site - without any quotes or text from your site. In addition, there's still the link to your website at the end of the video as well.

A friendly word of advice: If the income from your website is so critical to you, perhaps it's time to learn a little more about the state of the web today.

Monday, February 19th, 2007
Boris's picture

"guns don't kill people; people kill people."
;)

Patrick: the more you try to protect your content, the fewer people will access it. The search engines rank links higher if they find some sort of context for that link, and no better context than a quote from the file being linked. As Steven says, if you really are relying on the web for feeding your family, you need to understand a bit better how to use it. The Web, by nature, is about sharing. And yes, there are ways to make money, lots of money even, by doing so. Trying to shut up your neighbor who is sending people your way.. is NOT a good idea..

Be a good neighbor. :)

Monday, February 19th, 2007
San Miguel Guide's picture

The only reason that I even noticed Steven's video is because my article republished YouTube was outranking the article on my site for a couple of search terms. As a sidenote, I will remind you that my article as posted on YouTube had no link to my site or the article page.

That pretty much cancels out your theory about how Google and other search engines rank original content. It has something to do with a concept called trust rank. YouTube and other big sites will always have more than I can ever have - because they have hundreds of thousands of incoming links.

Again, I have no problems with your video anywhere, I just request that you remove the copy of my article. You may think you know about the state of the web "today" and how the "new economy" works. However, I would speculate that I make quite a bit more my way than your way. Google or some venture capitalist isn't beating down my door to offer my millions of dollars for my websites, and until that happens, I have to do what I can to protect my rights.

As far as "Sharing" goes - I work very hard to produce content for my sites. Another site I own, promoting website design services has been copied either in its entirety (including the design) or in part (articles) on over 100 websites. You may call that sharing; I call it stealing, and I have no sense of humor about it.

Another example, a page from San Miguel Guide has been copied by a 2 billion dollar per year travel business that has over 300 agencies in the US, and republished on 8 of their websites. Should I "share" with them too? Or is it different because they make tons of money, where as Steven is just a guy with a video camera? What if someone posted my content onto a site like wikipedia, which is then copied across hundreds if not thousands of websites. How can I, as a small business man, send out all those requests that the content be removed. I would have to spend the next 6 months sending faxes and following up - making claims against sites that republished the material in good faith.

No, I would most likely just have to write a new article to replace the copied one, in order to attempt to rank for those terms again. Is that fair to me? Absolutely not.

Why should I allow another site generate revenue from my content without my permission? By the way - YouTube and Blip are both generating revenue from your content.

I work very hard to provide for my family - a son, and my 2 step-children. Last time I counted, my internet income directly supports 14 people aside from myself. I also try to volunteer for a local charity as much as possible. I regret that upon requesting that the text be removed from YouTube, Google's policy was to deactivate the video. That sucks, and maybe was inconvenient for you. But I have more to think about than your feelings. I have a family to support.

PS - I would appreciate if you would remove the content of my article from the following page as well - http://api.flickr.com/services/feeds/photos_public.gne?tags=stevenmansourcom&format=rss_200

stevenmansour
Monday, February 19th, 2007
stevenmansour's picture

Wow,

Did you even bother to read what either of us replied? The article on youtube was thr same as the one on Flickr - both ended with links to the source material (ie, your website).

Anyways, good luck dude. :)

PS - As much as I'd love to be able to mess with Flickr's RSS feeds and Google's caching of them, I fear it's a bit beyond my reach at the moment. You'll notice that even though I removed any quotations from your text here, it still shows up in Flickr's RSS feed when you search for those terms on Google. Should you care to rectify the situation, perhaps you should contact Flickr directly.